1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,275 Mitrych [Eh!, Vygrebnaya Yama] 2 00:00:02,275 --> 00:00:06,013 In the sacred library of our college I discovered 3 00:00:06,013 --> 00:00:09,822 an old Komsomol magazine with a translated article 4 00:00:09,822 --> 00:00:15,464 by Donny The Punk: Punk Aestethics from A to Z 5 00:00:15,464 --> 00:00:19,876 which contained detailed information about punk, fanzines, DIY. 6 00:00:19,876 --> 00:00:28,096 After graduation, I have drenched myself in this literature 7 00:00:28,096 --> 00:00:32,345 and learned about the Okorok magazine, 8 00:00:32,345 --> 00:00:40,216 published long ago in Mogilev by Yuri Romanov, 9 00:00:40,216 --> 00:00:44,071 who is considered to be a pioneer 10 00:00:44,071 --> 00:00:49,760 among rock music fanzines in Belarus. 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,057 I thought it would be cool to make something like that ourselves. 12 00:00:53,870 --> 00:00:58,746 Besides, in Belarus there were no fanzines as I imagined them - 13 00:00:58,746 --> 00:01:02,252 related to punk hardcore scene. 14 00:01:02,833 --> 00:01:06,060 There was nothing like that in Russia either. 15 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:09,195 The first issue was published in '94, 16 00:01:09,195 --> 00:01:15,813 it was the end of September, 17 00:01:15,813 --> 00:01:20,317 and on October 16, 1994 I was called up for military service, 18 00:01:20,317 --> 00:01:22,036 so it was a sort of initiation. 19 00:01:22,036 --> 00:01:32,206 Being an orderly room clerk in the army, I had plenty of free time, 20 00:01:32,206 --> 00:01:37,616 the service didn't bother me that much. 21 00:01:37,616 --> 00:01:44,141 That's why I could continue to publish my zine there. 22 00:01:44,141 --> 00:01:51,711 It changed its name: issue #1 was called 'Eh!', like exclamation 23 00:01:51,711 --> 00:01:55,008 and #2 was called 'Vygrebnaja Jama' [Waste Pit]. 24 00:01:55,008 --> 00:01:57,957 The first was a cry from the depths, 25 00:01:57,957 --> 00:02:02,183 and the second had a particular concept. 26 00:02:02,183 --> 00:02:14,768 I made all my friends to reveal their hidden works, 27 00:02:14,768 --> 00:02:17,183 so we were raking out all the time. 28 00:02:17,183 --> 00:02:19,273 Tragic circumstances caused death 29 00:02:19,273 --> 00:02:29,281 of the Vygrebnoj Koshmar, the 5th issue. Actually all the prepared materials were lost. 30 00:02:30,418 --> 00:02:34,041 I worked at the office and when I quit, 31 00:02:34,041 --> 00:02:37,361 I failed to take the zine with me, 32 00:02:37,361 --> 00:02:43,189 as well as many other zines I pumped during all long nights there. 33 00:02:43,189 --> 00:03:01,487 While I was almost losing heart, a punk hardcore hydra lifted up its head. 34 00:03:01,487 --> 00:03:08,453 Zines like Stas Poczobut’s Kenguru were appearing, 35 00:03:08,453 --> 00:03:17,903 new zines emerged in Russia, we got acquainted with Polish literature. 36 00:03:17,903 --> 00:03:26,866 I understood it would be reasonable to make something serious 37 00:03:26,866 --> 00:03:30,488 so I started to collect materials for Lefthander. 38 00:03:30,488 --> 00:03:39,312 Because of my slackitude 39 00:03:39,312 --> 00:03:51,061 and maybe for some other reasons I didn't manage to make it all auteur, 40 00:03:51,061 --> 00:03:59,002 but the zine was quite good anyway. 41 00:03:59,002 --> 00:04:03,972 It was packed with translated materials concerning straight edge, 42 00:04:03,972 --> 00:04:13,469 ecological and social problems. 43 00:04:13,469 --> 00:04:19,227 From today perspective it could be considered derisive attempts. 44 00:04:19,227 --> 00:04:21,944 if the 2nd issue had appeared, it would have been much more serious. 45 00:04:21,944 --> 00:04:32,927 I was collecting materials for it but at the same time I had one more passion. 46 00:04:32,927 --> 00:04:37,757 I was professionally involved into performances. 47 00:04:37,757 --> 00:04:42,702 So it was scattering, being both there and in punk scene. 48 00:04:42,702 --> 00:04:46,720 Up to a certain time it was easy. 49 00:04:46,720 --> 00:05:06,712 But at the beginning of 2000s performances grabbed me completely. 50 00:05:06,712 --> 00:05:09,405 And may be for this reason 51 00:05:09,405 --> 00:05:12,122 the significance of this dilemma fell by the wayside. 52 00:05:12,122 --> 00:05:15,071 Besides, a lot of zines were launched 53 00:05:15,071 --> 00:05:25,265 as if every person in the scene was bound in honour to make a zine. 54 00:05:25,265 --> 00:05:27,447 The number of zines went up and the quality went down. 55 00:05:27,447 --> 00:05:32,625 It was impossible to find something new, 56 00:05:32,625 --> 00:05:36,967 parasiting on the scene which was a small sacred cow of those times. 57 00:05:36,967 --> 00:05:45,025 Zines were reprinting each other’s materials with a growing number of mistakes. 58 00:05:45,025 --> 00:05:48,345 Then for certain reason this wave diminished. 59 00:05:48,345 --> 00:05:54,963 Maybe because everybody was through with it. 60 00:05:54,963 --> 00:06:00,327 Or maybe because nobody was satisfied 61 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:08,361 with the quality but only a few could contrive something new. 62 00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:19,483 Zhenia [Rebro Zhestkosti] 63 00:06:19,483 --> 00:06:26,774 We got into straight edge, soberity, hardcore... 64 00:06:26,774 --> 00:06:33,508 As the first year students of technical universites 65 00:06:33,508 --> 00:06:39,545 we had a course in structural resistance, mechanics. 66 00:06:39,545 --> 00:06:46,558 And this term [upstand] somehow overlapped with the term 'straight edge'. 67 00:06:46,558 --> 00:06:50,714 I think we were a quintessence of everything 68 00:06:50,714 --> 00:06:54,731 that existed at that time but quite capsulazed. 69 00:06:54,731 --> 00:06:59,514 There were no guidances on what to do and how to act. 70 00:06:59,514 --> 00:07:02,742 We just appeared in the right time at the right place, 71 00:07:02,742 --> 00:07:06,689 and it gave some directions to people. 72 00:07:06,689 --> 00:07:14,538 It turned out that with lots of people we were on the same way. 73 00:07:14,538 --> 00:07:20,320 It is not like you made a magazine, gave it to a shop, it is sold out and that's it 74 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:27,146 For me a big matter was personal feedback, 75 00:07:27,146 --> 00:07:40,800 when you go to a post office to get a letter from Komsomolsk-on-Amur, 76 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:47,115 some crazy places, or read some cool magazine 77 00:07:47,115 --> 00:07:49,461 and then its editor suddenly writes to you 78 00:07:49,461 --> 00:07:51,992 and you start to carry on a correspondence with him. 79 00:07:51,992 --> 00:07:58,029 It was a good way of communication in the pre-social network times. 80 00:07:58,029 --> 00:08:04,530 You could wait for a month for a letter from Khabarovsk 81 00:08:04,530 --> 00:08:09,732 to reply on some provocative issue. 82 00:08:09,732 --> 00:08:14,468 Such battles could last for half a year. 83 00:08:14,468 --> 00:08:21,690 There are many internet fanzines published in a wonderful PDF format 84 00:08:21,690 --> 00:08:24,523 that you can download and print. 85 00:08:24,523 --> 00:08:36,551 Printed production is difficult to replace because you can touch it. 86 00:08:36,551 --> 00:08:42,634 If it is done well, you'd like to keep it on your shelf and reread. 87 00:08:42,634 --> 00:08:46,628 Here there are some. 88 00:08:46,628 --> 00:09:01,489 For example, Woofah zine form London is about reggae music, grime and dubstep. 89 00:09:01,489 --> 00:09:11,822 It is published by some cool bloggers and interesting people from London. 90 00:09:11,822 --> 00:09:20,831 Specially, Stewart Home who wrote scandalalous books like Blow Job 91 00:09:20,831 --> 00:09:22,549 and Red London took part in one of the issues. 92 00:09:22,549 --> 00:09:26,566 I got enough of standart zines when an editor and distributor. 93 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:34,415 A magazine kind of 'interview, colomns, 94 00:09:34,415 --> 00:09:38,919 xero and some shit' doesn't interest me anymore. 95 00:09:38,919 --> 00:09:42,774 After Rebro Zhestkosti, when internet came to Belarus 96 00:09:42,774 --> 00:09:47,139 all of us participated in different internet projects and publications, sometimes quite popular. 97 00:09:47,139 --> 00:09:57,194 The project I was involved in is 375crew.org. 98 00:09:57,194 --> 00:10:04,136 It was not just a fanzine but rather a platform for communication, news and art. 99 00:10:04,136 --> 00:10:08,618 It worked out pretty well for its time. 100 00:10:10,011 --> 00:10:13,842 Konik [Don’t Panic] 101 00:10:13,842 --> 00:10:18,254 People wrote me from ends of the earth. 102 00:10:18,254 --> 00:10:23,757 It was a big surpise. 103 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:31,582 I really had a feeling of something going to happen, though as time showed... 104 00:10:31,582 --> 00:10:37,410 At that time in Minsk a lot of people were making zines – 105 00:10:37,410 --> 00:10:42,565 Mitrich, Dragga, Danik, Nikita, me... 106 00:10:42,565 --> 00:10:45,746 There was an idea not to make zines separately but to unite 107 00:10:45,746 --> 00:10:50,181 and make something like a Belarusian Maximum Rock'n'Roll, a big and serious magazine. 108 00:10:50,181 --> 00:10:54,082 But it didn't move beyond talks. 109 00:10:54,082 --> 00:10:57,589 I said right away it would end up by someone becoming the boss, 110 00:10:57,589 --> 00:11:02,024 demanding and coordinating everybody – only then we would have some result. 111 00:11:02,024 --> 00:11:06,389 To make appointments, like you go here, you go there and you go to the printing-office, 112 00:11:06,389 --> 00:11:13,401 to oblidge people with something – it just clashes with DIY principles. 113 00:11:13,401 --> 00:11:17,093 I had a colleague at work, we called him an artist 114 00:11:17,093 --> 00:11:22,132 but he was an industrial designer at the enterprise. 115 00:11:22,132 --> 00:11:29,191 So I asked him to print some copies of Don't Panic, using his acquaintanceship. 116 00:11:29,191 --> 00:11:35,507 And he went to the girls at the account department. 117 00:11:35,507 --> 00:11:42,310 I was sitting in his office when a girl came in, plopped a package of zines on his desk 118 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:47,395 and and said: «I thought better of you, Vova». 119 00:11:47,395 --> 00:11:55,104 Sometimes you can see operators with goggled eyes in the copy-centers. 120 00:11:55,104 --> 00:12:03,255 But then gradually you stick to one center because the prices are okay, 121 00:12:03,255 --> 00:12:07,597 and everybody go there – Mysh, Green, Sanych. 122 00:12:07,597 --> 00:12:09,826 That's why we are conceived normally there. 123 00:12:09,826 --> 00:12:14,772 If you need more copies, you just go and make them. 124 00:12:14,772 --> 00:12:17,280 The total number exceeds hunderds, of course. 125 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:22,132 If I made it regulary, I could become some kind of the MaximumRocknRoll. 126 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:30,074 Because if you make something on a regular basis, 127 00:12:30,074 --> 00:12:36,064 people get used to it and keep an eye on updates, as a result a big circulation is sold out. 128 00:12:36,064 --> 00:12:39,106 And if you publish one issue once in years, people forget about you 129 00:12:39,106 --> 00:12:43,379 and then max 50 copies are distributed. 130 00:12:43,379 --> 00:12:49,811 The orders come from the Ukranians and Russians, but none from Belarusians, at all. 131 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:58,681 By the way, today I got a new letter, it seems that a new person appeared, 132 00:12:58,681 --> 00:13:01,049 he never wrote to me before. 133 00:13:01,049 --> 00:13:12,706 You see, and I am railing against Belarusians... you see, this is the whole letter... 134 00:13:12,706 --> 00:13:16,467 like this... you see... but it's already good. 135 00:13:16,467 --> 00:13:21,947 Some years ago three persons from Pruzhany appeared, they ordered something from my distro. 136 00:13:21,947 --> 00:13:32,094 But what's interesting is that they ordered the same items, living in the same house! 137 00:13:32,094 --> 00:13:36,994 Then they became mature, had read enough and strated to make their own zines, 138 00:13:36,994 --> 00:13:38,828 every person had his own. 139 00:13:38,828 --> 00:13:48,093 And in the 2nd issue they already made interviews with each other as with zinemakers. 140 00:13:48,093 --> 00:13:57,706 After that issue only one guy published a newsletter, and that's it. 141 00:14:00,005 --> 00:14:03,557 Yahor [Zayabok] 142 00:14:03,557 --> 00:14:08,433 All people around were busy with something, so I wanted to make something as well. 143 00:14:08,433 --> 00:14:11,707 But as I can neither sing nor play, I decided I could make a zine. 144 00:14:11,707 --> 00:14:15,492 And it turned out that cutting, pasting and interviewing people 145 00:14:15,492 --> 00:14:21,204 is something I could do quite well. 146 00:14:21,204 --> 00:14:25,152 There is a band in the USA called the Millions of Dead Cops. 147 00:14:25,152 --> 00:14:28,704 We wrote a letter to its member Dave Dictor 148 00:14:28,704 --> 00:14:34,951 who is very popular in the States due to his views and speeches. 149 00:14:34,951 --> 00:14:42,799 The English translation was made by Olga Martynenko, a girl from Uruchje. 150 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:45,585 It is importnat to mention this fact 151 00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:51,878 because nothing would happen without help of many people. 152 00:14:51,878 --> 00:14:55,849 Not really counting on anything, we sent a letter 153 00:14:55,849 --> 00:15:02,002 and a month later we were impressed to get a reply with full answers. 154 00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:05,392 I have a friend Maxim who drew really exciting comixes. 155 00:15:05,392 --> 00:15:11,360 The idea of the black and white cover of the zine was that you could colour it yourself 156 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,590 and have a unique magazine. 157 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:17,304 As many zines at those times, we were supporting anticopyright ideas. 158 00:15:17,304 --> 00:15:25,524 Any usage, either for your head or for another publication was highly welcomed. 159 00:15:25,524 --> 00:15:30,679 I think internet is in more priority nowadays 160 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:40,408 because all these music publications are mostly aimed at youngsters. 161 00:15:40,408 --> 00:15:47,559 If you consider the situation with distribution it will be mostly at concerts 162 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:52,157 the attendants of which are mainly under 25. 163 00:15:52,157 --> 00:15:57,846 And all of them have internet sites or something like that. 164 00:15:57,846 --> 00:16:05,137 Maybe one day with the help of my friends I will do something else. 165 00:16:05,137 --> 00:16:10,408 Never stop, never say this issue is the last one. 166 00:16:10,408 --> 00:16:13,357 Maybe the next one will appear, why not? 167 00:16:15,818 --> 00:16:20,067 Stas, Sasha [zines from Harodnia] 168 00:16:20,067 --> 00:16:24,874 Now there are various shops here 169 00:16:24,874 --> 00:16:33,674 But before it used to be a small distribution where you coud bring your magazines, 170 00:16:33,674 --> 00:16:35,578 cassetes of some bands. 171 00:16:35,578 --> 00:16:38,667 My first zine was called Dura, 172 00:16:38,667 --> 00:16:48,535 we were making it with my friend Sasha Medvedev, it was around '93-94. 173 00:16:48,535 --> 00:16:57,242 Its emergence was influenced by the Soviet rock samizdat of 80s, 174 00:16:57,242 --> 00:17:04,162 like Kontrkultura, the Ulrait magazine. 175 00:17:04,162 --> 00:17:13,798 Besides, some Polish anarchist zines that were available, like Mac Porzadka... 176 00:17:13,798 --> 00:17:20,001 It was decided that along with common culture there is subculture. 177 00:17:20,001 --> 00:17:26,662 That common culture tries to obtrude on some values that in fact are not ours. 178 00:17:26,662 --> 00:17:31,469 To promote our view, our own values 179 00:17:31,469 --> 00:17:33,976 we must have our own publication. 180 00:17:33,976 --> 00:17:36,020 That's how Dura appeared. 181 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:43,288 After that, the Buntujma newspaper was published at university. 182 00:17:43,288 --> 00:17:48,930 Then we made the only issue of the Pravakatar zine. 183 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:52,808 It had around 200 copies, 184 00:17:52,808 --> 00:18:01,074 180 of which were confiscated by the police at the concert in the garage. 185 00:18:01,074 --> 00:18:06,508 Some of us were throwing copies on the roof, some where hiding them in the cellar. 186 00:18:06,508 --> 00:18:12,475 As I say, only 20 copies remained out of 200, the whole concert was arrested. 187 00:18:12,475 --> 00:18:14,495 That's popularity! 188 00:18:14,495 --> 00:18:16,283 The magazine was called Brrrr, 189 00:18:16,283 --> 00:18:21,229 the name arised in my head by exidence and stayed there somehow. 190 00:18:21,229 --> 00:18:30,401 It had no deep meaning, it was rather a reflection of my indignation at that time, 191 00:18:30,401 --> 00:18:36,601 maybe because of my age everything was Brrrr! 192 00:18:36,601 --> 00:18:43,892 All in all 4 issues were published, I feel a bit ashamed of some moments, 193 00:18:43,892 --> 00:18:56,013 but in general I think I had a good time, met a lot of people, learnt a lot... 194 00:18:56,013 --> 00:19:05,393 In Grodno there was the Rabochij Gudok zine, without any deep meaning either, 195 00:19:05,393 --> 00:19:11,454 a zine of A4 format with pictures, pure art or rather anti-art. 196 00:19:11,454 --> 00:19:16,260 There was the Kenguru zine, already mentioned by Stas... 197 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:26,059 And Boria used to make a zine. Yeah, Dezertir was made by Boria. 198 00:19:26,059 --> 00:19:30,773 Recently I was thinking about making a zine, and if what is said is true, 199 00:19:30,773 --> 00:19:33,908 Stas is also going to make a zine, 200 00:19:33,908 --> 00:19:36,415 though not sure whether he will tell you about it. 201 00:19:36,415 --> 00:19:41,338 I had an idea to make an art zine, to draw something, 202 00:19:41,338 --> 00:19:45,123 to make interviews with people who make something... 203 00:19:45,123 --> 00:19:49,906 not necessary on a straight political position. 204 00:19:49,906 --> 00:19:52,739 Not as it used to be before, when a zine without politics was not a zine. 205 00:19:52,739 --> 00:19:56,222 For me it is more pleasurable now to make something visual, 206 00:19:56,222 --> 00:19:58,497 what you'd like to take in hands, to watch. 207 00:19:58,497 --> 00:20:02,584 It doesn't have to be a super-cool printing quiality 208 00:20:02,584 --> 00:20:04,953 but just something nice to your eyes, 209 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:08,087 because all information you can get from internet. 210 00:20:08,087 --> 00:20:15,773 As for me, the only and the main thing a zine can do now is, like in the past, self-experssion. 211 00:20:15,773 --> 00:20:23,993 Jack, take your place... 212 00:20:23,993 --> 00:20:32,817 It is self-expression and from what we started – every article should be creativity, 213 00:20:32,817 --> 00:20:36,207 every article should have an artistic approach. 214 00:20:36,207 --> 00:20:40,897 This is what can be different from internet because internet is more about news. 215 00:20:40,897 --> 00:20:45,077 Due to self-publishing, people started to exchange letters more actively. 216 00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:50,580 You could receive a zine from other city by post only, there were no other means. 217 00:20:50,580 --> 00:21:01,098 And as the postage-stamps to Russia cost money, the zinesters invented a cool thing. 218 00:21:01,098 --> 00:21:04,907 A guy from the Play Hookey zine introduced it to me: 219 00:21:04,907 --> 00:21:09,225 you should invisibly put a thin tape on a stamp. 220 00:21:09,225 --> 00:21:14,612 And when you receive this envelope you take the stamp off, 221 00:21:14,612 --> 00:21:16,493 put a letter in and send back. 222 00:21:16,493 --> 00:21:21,021 And then a person can send you an answer, not being limited with money – 223 00:21:21,021 --> 00:21:24,411 he washes the stamp off and sends you back. 224 00:21:24,411 --> 00:21:28,196 Some also greased with glue or wax – 225 00:21:28,196 --> 00:21:31,656 everything just to avoid a postmark on it. 226 00:21:31,656 --> 00:21:35,696 Mitrich had a postage stamp that travelled so much... 227 00:21:35,696 --> 00:21:37,786 it came to me hunderds of times. 228 00:21:37,786 --> 00:21:44,427 It could be hardly distingueshed, it turned yellow because of the time spent on the road. 229 00:21:44,427 --> 00:21:49,024 Mitrich used to send me letters in self-made envelopes from the army, 230 00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:51,439 on one of them he even put his own photo. 231 00:21:51,439 --> 00:21:54,620 You know, like this decoration on envelopes, 232 00:21:54,620 --> 00:21:57,546 and there was Mitrich in the military uniform. 233 00:21:57,546 --> 00:21:59,543 Is it true you sent joints to Mitrich to the army? 234 00:21:59,543 --> 00:22:02,144 Not joints but shell-case, it is a bit different... 235 00:22:02,144 --> 00:22:03,374 Ah, whatever. 236 00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:07,809 Ludok [New World] 237 00:22:08,622 --> 00:22:10,062 I also got into it. 238 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:14,775 As a first step I was following the most stereotypical sets of that time, 239 00:22:14,713 --> 00:22:18,653 I just wanted to make a zine too, 240 00:22:18,653 --> 00:22:21,161 just to have my own zine because everyone was making them. 241 00:22:21,161 --> 00:22:25,317 I think there was nothing original about it but eventually, 242 00:22:25,317 --> 00:22:31,215 after some issues had been published, it became more personal. 243 00:22:31,215 --> 00:22:37,670 They say about the so-called 'zine boom' in Belarus from 2000 to 2004. 244 00:22:37,670 --> 00:22:41,664 Perhaps it makes sense because during these 3-4 years 245 00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:46,215 so many zines were published here as never before. 246 00:22:46,215 --> 00:22:49,489 In reality zines were published everywhere at those times. 247 00:22:49,489 --> 00:22:53,599 was up to the hilt into it, knowing absolutely all the people 248 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:56,803 who were publishing something, 249 00:22:56,803 --> 00:22:59,543 the network of correspondence was very vast. 250 00:22:59,543 --> 00:23:03,375 I was acquainted with people not even from small towns 251 00:23:03,375 --> 00:23:10,921 but from villages where as I thought max 10 people lived, 252 00:23:10,921 --> 00:23:14,427 out of whom there was one who published his own zine. 253 00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:20,813 Postal communication was so enourmous that I received letters almost every day. 254 00:23:20,813 --> 00:23:22,972 People from all over the world wrote to me, 255 00:23:22,972 --> 00:23:26,177 despite the fact that I didn't know and still don't know any foreign language. 256 00:23:26,177 --> 00:23:28,406 I think the majority of the Belarusian zines 257 00:23:28,406 --> 00:23:32,493 have always been connected with punk hardcore subculture 258 00:23:32,493 --> 00:23:38,924 and politisized in the degree so that not to get beyond the framework of subculture. 259 00:23:38,924 --> 00:23:44,265 And when discussing Belarusian zines, at least at the times of the so-called boom, 260 00:23:44,265 --> 00:23:47,562 you could always hear something like 'oh, here is a classical Belarusian zine 261 00:23:47,562 --> 00:23:52,276 interviews with crust bands and several fiery articles with calls for destroying McDonald’s 262 00:23:52,276 --> 00:23:53,785 or something like that'. 263 00:23:53,785 --> 00:23:57,315 And now I think there are fewer zines 264 00:23:57,315 --> 00:24:00,519 but they are more thought-out. 265 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:05,442 There are pure political zines, there are punk zines, 266 00:24:05,442 --> 00:24:09,412 but done in a more interesting way than before. 267 00:24:09,412 --> 00:24:14,428 But there are so few of them now that I'd rather not say about some tendencies 268 00:24:14,428 --> 00:24:22,346 or a new wave of Belarusian zines in a particular style. 269 00:24:22,346 --> 00:24:27,710 As I was interested in zines, exchanging and buying them, 270 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:33,190 had a bunch of zines I would constantly give to other guys to read 271 00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:38,437 to make them inspired and get involved. 272 00:24:38,437 --> 00:24:44,173 Then I decided to establish a small library, 273 00:24:44,173 --> 00:24:47,795 so that people would know there is a library 274 00:24:47,795 --> 00:24:49,838 where you can borrow something to read, 275 00:24:49,838 --> 00:24:51,905 not just some zines at someone's home. 276 00:24:51,905 --> 00:24:59,451 Some time later I got an offer to combine it with the so-called Minsk Anarchist Library 277 00:24:59,451 --> 00:25:02,958 which was about to cease to exist. 278 00:25:02,958 --> 00:25:06,069 After that assosiation it has grown almost twice. 279 00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:13,221 Now it is situated in Minsk, everything is okay with it so far. 280 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:20,976 Dzheti i Zhybul [Wiaskowyja mohilki] 281 00:25:20,976 --> 00:25:25,690 So, here are some leftovers from creativity... no, not only... 282 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:27,524 there are the whole issues. 283 00:25:27,524 --> 00:25:33,794 Here are not only sweets but bottle labels as well. 284 00:25:33,794 --> 00:25:35,582 Koscia, calm down! Kastus! 285 00:25:35,651 --> 00:25:36,719 There is even Kryzhachok [local cheap vine]. 286 00:25:36,719 --> 00:25:41,085 We will also show an edemic cretin from the book published in '34... 287 00:25:41,085 --> 00:25:47,029 And here is an exophthalmic goitre, kind of the editorial board. 288 00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:55,295 And this is a real paper we found in the street: 289 00:25:55,295 --> 00:26:02,215 «Today I woke up in hang-over, it is a result of what was yesterday. 290 00:26:02,215 --> 00:26:07,300 I will not drink with a friend anymore, I'd rather pour kefir into my mouth». 291 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:12,408 It is from the times when I was studying at the Philologic Faculty, 292 00:26:12,408 --> 00:26:18,980 we were making it together with my coursemates, who were mainly published there. 293 00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:20,559 I hadn't met Vicia yet. 294 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:26,712 My coursemates claimed the copyright on the name «Selskoje kladbische» [Village cemetry] 295 00:26:26,712 --> 00:26:27,850 belonged to them, 296 00:26:27,850 --> 00:26:29,289 and no matter how I argued that 297 00:26:29,289 --> 00:26:33,399 this copyright belonged not even to Zhukovsky but to some Gray, 298 00:26:33,399 --> 00:26:37,765 whom Zhukovsky had translated and from whom we had stolen this name. 299 00:26:37,765 --> 00:26:39,576 All in all they did not listen to me 300 00:26:39,576 --> 00:26:44,684 so we decided to translate it one more time, as Zhukovsky did to Gray. 301 00:26:44,684 --> 00:26:46,449 What is Halubaka? 302 00:26:46,449 --> 00:26:50,489 Have no idea, Kastus. 303 00:26:50,489 --> 00:26:53,299 You are finding out a new zine... 304 00:26:53,299 --> 00:26:57,757 It looks like here we got interested in body parts, noses... 305 00:26:57,757 --> 00:27:01,356 He has poems and drawings. 306 00:27:01,356 --> 00:27:04,816 We were thinking of a children issue, even prepared some materials. 307 00:27:04,816 --> 00:27:09,019 He also composed music for the Strekaza movie. 308 00:27:09,019 --> 00:27:11,248 He is a person of many gifts. 309 00:27:11,248 --> 00:27:19,282 We could show that internet has quite limited opportunities. 310 00:27:19,282 --> 00:27:26,643 It can't transmit what you can touch, rub and brush. 311 00:27:26,643 --> 00:27:30,288 By internet you can't also transmit smells. 312 00:27:30,288 --> 00:27:34,816 And we impregnated it with a special essence, 313 00:27:34,816 --> 00:27:43,616 you could use for example.. autumn beer.... 314 00:27:43,616 --> 00:27:46,263 yes, you can use beer, thank you Koscia for prompting. 315 00:27:46,263 --> 00:27:52,602 Once we were performing with our editorial crew at a school. 316 00:27:52,602 --> 00:28:04,909 A strict teacher had an eye on us so that we would not say something wrong. 317 00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:14,824 When we gave out one of our issues to students, it got to the teacher as well. 318 00:28:14,824 --> 00:28:21,093 She took me aside and said she saw a pseudonime of one of the authours 319 00:28:21,093 --> 00:28:23,090 Uznik [Prisoner]. 320 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:30,799 'He was imprisoned for something, and you publish him!' 321 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:37,905 A maniac-pedophile is wondering around school, inviting everyone to visit a sport club... 322 00:28:38,601 --> 00:28:42,015 Dzima, Sasha [FxF] 323 00:28:42,015 --> 00:28:45,219 And this is a local aboriginal.... 324 00:28:45,219 --> 00:28:49,607 Let's ask him in the interview what he thinks about lyceum... 325 00:28:49,607 --> 00:28:52,649 Yeah, and what does he know about FxF at all? 326 00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:56,364 FxF is a short name for our magazine and it stands for Football X Flies. 327 00:28:56,364 --> 00:28:58,710 Dima told me I could write about anything I want. 328 00:28:58,710 --> 00:29:00,196 And even about football? 329 00:29:00,196 --> 00:29:03,400 And even about football. Okay, let's do it. 330 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,510 At home I got some ideas in my head 331 00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:12,549 that were logically based on the amazing publication called Navinki. 332 00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:17,332 Everything was in an ironical key: 333 00:29:17,332 --> 00:29:21,280 we qiuped about football and everything happening in our sport. 334 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,902 Dima laughted at it and said it was great and exclusive. 335 00:29:24,902 --> 00:29:27,270 We used to send notes to each other, 336 00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:28,965 I sent him some article 337 00:29:28,965 --> 00:29:31,868 and then he sent it back with his corrections and comments. 338 00:29:31,868 --> 00:29:39,438 Our classmate helped us as well... Yeah, there was a third authour, Lesha Stepanel. 339 00:29:39,438 --> 00:29:41,342 He was obsessed with foodtball, 340 00:29:41,342 --> 00:29:42,897 and when I wrote about music, 341 00:29:42,897 --> 00:28:41,153 in his exemplar (as he was kinda participant) he crossed out the music 342 00:29:48,493 --> 00:29:50,095 he hated everything not connected to football. 343 00:29:50,095 --> 00:29:53,787 And there we used to go to the Belsauzdruk kiosk 344 00:29:53,787 --> 00:29:57,619 to derive some inspiration from the PressBall newspaper. 345 00:29:57,619 --> 00:30:00,359 All the ridic news, all the stastics were from there, 346 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:13,037 like when Belarus lost with a score 32:00 in some field hockey or tennis. 347 00:30:13,037 --> 00:30:16,497 And now a moment of saddness. 348 00:30:16,497 --> 00:30:18,981 Why did everything fall to pieces? 349 00:30:18,981 --> 00:30:22,975 Let us tell you why everything went into such a state. 350 00:30:22,975 --> 00:30:25,970 When you do something, you want something back, 351 00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:29,662 because in any activity you put your energy, forces. 352 00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:37,069 Everything was cool when we were making the first three issues. 353 00:30:37,069 --> 00:30:39,484 We got many letters, people wrote to us 354 00:30:39,484 --> 00:30:43,803 what was good and what was not, offered to be friends, there was a good action. 355 00:30:43,803 --> 00:30:48,261 And then you make an issue and nobody writes to you, no letters at all! 356 00:30:48,261 --> 00:30:56,342 For me this was the main reason to stop making a zine, because you have no feedback. 357 00:30:56,342 --> 00:30:57,875 So why to continue? 358 00:30:57,875 --> 00:31:04,074 In internet you can also post your reviews, columnes and thoughs. 359 00:31:04,074 --> 00:31:06,884 It's not necessary to use paper for that. 360 00:31:06,884 --> 00:31:11,737 And I personally think that if you make something good for yourself, 361 00:31:11,737 --> 00:31:15,870 it's not so bad anyway as there is internal growth. 362 00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:20,746 Because really, there is no feedback, 363 00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:24,577 the reality hasn't changed because of the fact you sang a song, 364 00:31:24,577 --> 00:31:30,406 made a zine or other cultural activity – nothing has happened. 365 00:31:30,406 --> 00:31:35,607 We should move on with DIY, we should build houses... well, in quates. 366 00:31:35,607 --> 00:31:40,506 Big efforts are to be accomplished, big projects are to be implemented. 367 00:31:40,506 --> 00:31:43,943 It's good to make 2-page zines but it's necessary to go further. 368 00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:46,404 You are asking me this and I can say... 369 00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:47,612 Nothing. 370 00:31:47,612 --> 00:31:55,715 Yes, nothing. Several years ago I somehow lost interest in zines, both in making and reading. 371 00:31:55,715 --> 00:31:59,013 Because all of them are so boring, they write about the same. 372 00:31:59,013 --> 00:32:00,801 You read a review and don't understand anything, 373 00:32:00,801 --> 00:32:06,838 so many fancy words like refrains, singalongs, chuga-chuga guitar. 374 00:32:06,838 --> 00:32:10,855 And you think: okay, I'll never hear this band nor will understand it... 375 00:32:10,855 --> 00:32:16,846 it has become such a sectarianism I am far removed from. 376 00:32:16,846 --> 00:32:18,308 Now I'd rather read a book. 377 00:32:18,308 --> 00:32:21,118 What would you like, young people? 378 00:32:21,118 --> 00:32:23,533 Vegetarian sandwiches, please. 379 00:32:23,533 --> 00:32:25,391 Everything is with meat only. 380 00:32:25,391 --> 00:32:28,641 That's how he shoot me down - what a life! 381 00:32:28,641 --> 00:32:32,357 And what do you want? Meat is a source of force and energy. 382 00:32:34,121 --> 00:32:36,281 Makhno [No Lie, I Love Zombie] 383 00:32:52,047 --> 00:32:56,528 They call me Makhno. I started to make zines long time ago. 384 00:32:56,528 --> 00:32:59,872 First, there was a punk/hardcore zine No Lie. 385 00:32:59,872 --> 00:33:02,217 I used to live in another city, Brest. 386 00:33:02,217 --> 00:33:07,999 There were no zines there and I decided to change the situation. 387 00:33:09,416 --> 00:33:13,038 Now many things in it seem naive to me, 388 00:33:13,038 --> 00:33:18,680 but there were good interviews with interesting bands from Europe and the USA. 389 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:27,713 The articles about my city were naive, like 'there are no bands and no zines in our city'. 390 00:33:27,713 --> 00:33:29,687 Just like everywhere else, I think. 391 00:33:29,687 --> 00:33:32,752 The drawings were graphic and primitive. 392 00:33:32,752 --> 00:33:39,973 They were connected to satan, hell, apocalypsis. 393 00:33:39,973 --> 00:33:44,315 There is a struggle between individuals in the society, 394 00:33:44,315 --> 00:33:49,725 I wanted to show the ugliness of society, wars and so on. 395 00:33:49,725 --> 00:33:56,297 This zine was influenced by horror movies, 396 00:33:56,297 --> 00:34:04,911 thrashy scare pics and by other arists connected to apocolyptic art. 397 00:34:04,911 --> 00:34:10,066 For example, Zdzislaw Peksinksi, a polish artist. He was murdered, by the way. 398 00:34:10,066 --> 00:34:18,123 Here are his drawings, graphics. You could notice some influence. 399 00:34:18,123 --> 00:34:22,930 (talking about #2) Here it is kind of collages, this is drawing in pastel, 400 00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:27,319 these are stories by some guy, very crazy ones. 401 00:34:27,319 --> 00:34:34,911 To be honest, the second cut-n-paste issue I made I even threw away 402 00:34:34,911 --> 00:34:38,209 because no one was interested in it. 403 00:34:38,209 --> 00:34:47,891 One 77-style punk from Vitebsk made a zine that looked like I Love Zombie, 404 00:34:47,891 --> 00:34:51,073 with the same primitive style of drawing. 405 00:34:51,073 --> 00:34:55,856 He wrote that my zine had influenced on him. So there was some resonance. 406 00:34:55,856 --> 00:35:04,726 Well, Mysh has recently published the 6th issue of his zine after a long break. 407 00:35:04,726 --> 00:35:06,839 And this Japanese zine is a gift. 408 00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:14,618 Totally crazy, hieroglyphs only – impossible to understand, just to look at pictures. 409 00:35:14,618 --> 00:35:16,731 And this is a zine by Sanych, 410 00:35:16,731 --> 00:35:20,887 and here is himself in person, drinking champaigne on the cover. 411 00:35:20,887 --> 00:35:26,158 Now you often face with the fact zines are not interesting to many people. 412 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:28,108 Probably, internet swallowed up everything. 413 00:35:40,694 --> 00:35:44,293 Sanych [Defect In Industry] 414 00:35:45,802 --> 00:35:50,910 By post. There was a zine, not even a zine but a magazine, Kuliok. 415 00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:54,115 Have you heard about it? 416 00:35:54,115 --> 00:36:04,215 It had an advertisement from Konik about some paper zine. 417 00:36:04,215 --> 00:36:06,793 I didn't even now what a zine was, 418 00:36:06,793 --> 00:36:14,966 I just read it was dedicated to punk/hardcore, so I decided to order. 419 00:36:14,966 --> 00:36:26,716 I sent him 1,000 rubles, and got my order only 2 monthes later 420 00:36:26,716 --> 00:36:29,432 because he was on holiday for a month. 421 00:36:29,432 --> 00:36:41,135 Meanwhile I sent him two more letters: 'I send you 1,000 but you keep silence'. 422 00:36:41,135 --> 00:36:46,940 He was very sorry and sent me as a bonus lots of flyers 423 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:57,668 and the Avtonom magazine. 424 00:36:57,668 --> 00:37:06,909 The package was really thick. I opened it and appeared in a new world. 425 00:37:06,909 --> 00:37:12,273 And in a week I got an idea to make a zine... 426 00:37:12,273 --> 00:37:20,934 We made the first issue of the Defect in Industry together with Dima Sukhoy. 427 00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:28,364 After we finished I was drawn to the color. 428 00:37:28,364 --> 00:37:41,461 I even made one interview there, with the Acetilen guitarist who served together with me. 429 00:37:41,461 --> 00:37:49,448 He was fighting against fagins who discriminated him. 430 00:37:49,448 --> 00:37:56,832 He would just come up to them at night and bet them up with a cudgel. 431 00:37:56,832 --> 00:38:04,332 These are the scissors of my Granny Sonya. 432 00:38:04,332 --> 00:38:11,832 She had probably left them as a heritage for me to make zines, to continue the tradition. 433 00:38:11,832 --> 00:38:15,129 She was cutting, sewing and knitting socks for me, 434 00:38:15,129 --> 00:38:23,117 and now I cut and paste zines with them. 435 00:38:23,117 --> 00:38:36,283 When you see a finished layout you have a great feeling of something done, not lost. 436 00:38:36,283 --> 00:38:44,387 The first issues are often pretty grotty because they are made from the first impressions, 437 00:38:44,387 --> 00:38:47,173 a person has not realized his/her style yet. 438 00:38:47,173 --> 00:38:54,650 In Belarus and Russia most zines had only 2 issues, then many gave up. 439 00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:59,456 But those who have survived, started to make good zines. 440 00:38:59,456 --> 00:39:11,508 Now I am dragged out. I want to make but, shit, no fire in the ass. 441 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:16,314 Ruslan [Rebel Desire] 442 00:39:16,314 --> 00:39:23,489 My life was spoilt by zines that existed at the beginning of 2000s, there were lots of them. 443 00:39:23,489 --> 00:39:27,344 Navinki newspaper had a tip-on «Chornyja Navinki» [Black Navinki] 444 00:39:27,344 --> 00:39:33,381 with a list of all more or less remarkable zines in Belarus. 445 00:39:33,381 --> 00:39:38,489 I came to a concert, saw those zines with my own eyes and that's it. 446 00:39:38,489 --> 00:39:43,551 Some of them more, some of them less but they all had influence on me. 447 00:39:43,551 --> 00:39:49,240 If you read Rebel Desire, you'd notice it has its main concept. 448 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:54,813 Its own view on punk-rock, on politics, on politics in punk-rock. 449 00:39:54,813 --> 00:39:58,621 I've always had an idea to write in a magazine. 450 00:39:58,621 --> 00:40:02,452 I don't remember how it came up to me but the fact is that it came true. 451 00:40:02,452 --> 00:40:05,912 I assure you there will be the 3rd , the 4th and the 5th issue. 452 00:40:05,912 --> 00:40:09,650 There are no particular plans yet but I know they will be very different. 453 00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:12,251 When analyzing my thoughts today 454 00:40:12,251 --> 00:40:16,709 and comparing them with what was in the 1st and 2nd issues, 455 00:40:16,709 --> 00:40:23,327 I'd say it will be a bit another zine, another view, another writings. 456 00:40:23,327 --> 00:40:29,898 Zines are changing like the people who make them. 457 00:40:29,898 --> 00:40:35,866 People who were young at those days and who make something now – they are different. 458 00:40:35,866 --> 00:40:39,024 Because they have grown up, they write in a different manner. 459 00:40:39,024 --> 00:40:43,482 You can't compare Rebel Desire with Don't Panic or Zayabok of those days. 460 00:40:43,482 --> 00:40:51,144 For example, in the Rebel Desire collective there are some people 461 00:40:51,144 --> 00:40:56,415 who made zines at the beginning of the first Belarusian zine wave. 462 00:40:56,415 --> 00:40:59,713 Well, not the first but from the beginning of 2000s. 463 00:40:59,713 --> 00:41:11,090 I don't like when there is a collective of very different authors who are on different waves, 464 00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:15,665 with their own interests and sometimes even contrary opnions. 465 00:41:15,665 --> 00:41:26,973 They are published as one zine but it's a mixed bag of goodies. 466 00:41:26,973 --> 00:41:30,479 I like when a zine has its own wave. 467 00:41:30,479 --> 00:41:39,465 In other words, if it is a punk zine then the authors should be punks, not just random people. 468 00:41:39,465 --> 00:41:42,019 There was a band, Contra la Contra. 469 00:41:42,019 --> 00:41:44,690 When they wanted to make album covers, 470 00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:49,055 all printing offices in Grodno were afraid and refused to print them. 471 00:41:49,055 --> 00:42:08,026 And when now, 8 years later I come to the official printing offices to make a big colour circulation 472 00:41:57,786 --> 00:42:14,922 and show them a magazine they are also afraid and refuse me. 473 00:42:14,922 --> 00:42:16,385 I pay $1,000 and I want a magazine. 474 00:42:16,385 --> 00:42:19,473 A director calls me and says it's too dangerous, don't come to us anymore. 475 00:42:19,473 --> 00:42:22,817 I say look, it's not dangerous, explain him everything. 476 00:42:22,817 --> 00:42:24,999 He looks through the magazine and says: 477 00:42:24,999 --> 00:42:27,972 you give $500 more and tomorrow morning take it by car. 478 00:42:27,972 --> 00:42:33,242 What I say is that the situation with printing radical left literature in Belarus 479 00:42:33,242 --> 00:42:37,399 hasn't changed for the last 7 years. 480 00:42:38,467 --> 00:42:42,321 Lena, Sasha [Tryznas*Kefiras] 481 00:42:42,321 --> 00:42:46,153 This is perhaps the most precious in the zine-making, 482 00:42:46,153 --> 00:42:52,353 when all materials are ready and the proccess of cutting out starts, 483 00:42:52,353 --> 00:42:59,272 constantly losing part of texts, drawing something.. 484 00:42:59,272 --> 00:43:02,337 I'd say the most crititics we got after the 4th issue 485 00:43:02,337 --> 00:43:09,233 which was maximum extranged from the classical DIY punk topics, 486 00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:13,622 many articles were dedicated to critical cartography and so on. 487 00:43:13,622 --> 00:43:19,520 I think this issue was, mildly speaking, not accepted and perceived 488 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,096 even by those who know us and have read the previous issues. 489 00:43:23,096 --> 00:43:27,461 But what caught me most of all is a word 'hippy'. 490 00:43:27,461 --> 00:43:29,853 Because I don't positionate myself like that, 491 00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:37,539 It's really annoying when somebody tries to call me like that because I am not a hippy! 492 00:43:37,539 --> 00:43:41,300 And maybe partly because of that 493 00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:45,062 the content of the 5th issue got a bit more severe, 494 00:43:45,062 --> 00:43:49,032 so that nobody would label us as hippies. 495 00:43:49,032 --> 00:43:56,115 And also we are often said to be a feminist zine or a grrlz zine...Because we are girls. 496 00:43:56,115 --> 00:43:59,551 Well, of course there are some feminist issues there.. 497 00:43:59,551 --> 00:44:03,800 It doesn't mean we say we are not feminists.. We are feminists... 498 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,333 But our zine is not a feminist one. 499 00:44:05,333 --> 00:44:09,257 Well, in Belarus it's not such a big issue because not so many zines left. 500 00:44:09,257 --> 00:44:18,917 But as I heard in Poland the zine scene is devided into a grrls' and guys'. 501 00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:25,232 People think that if a zine is made by girls there will be articles on 'girls topics' 502 00:44:25,232 --> 00:44:28,599 which are not interesting for normal hardcore guys. 503 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,618 We also received critics because of languge. 504 00:44:31,618 --> 00:44:38,073 Yes, this is also an important point as the zine is bilingual, in Russian and Belarusian. 505 00:44:38,073 --> 00:44:43,065 Skandal from My Riot Inward zine wrote in his review: 506 00:44:43,065 --> 00:44:48,708 the zine is as always cool, though I wasn't able to read half of it. 507 00:44:48,708 --> 00:44:57,485 If zines from Ukraine are in Ukranian, I have no problems in reading it. 508 00:44:57,485 --> 00:44:59,412 As well as in Polish, I also try to read in Czeck. 509 00:44:59,412 --> 00:45:04,033 Yes, if you want, you can understand all these Slavic languages, I think. 510 00:45:04,033 --> 00:45:07,469 After all, it's not Lithuanian... 511 00:45:07,469 --> 00:45:13,832 The Belarusian zine scene was the most active from 2000 to 2003. 512 00:45:13,832 --> 00:45:18,243 At that time internet access was very limited, 513 00:45:18,243 --> 00:45:30,086 and when some years ago I read all the 'legendary Belarusian zines', 514 00:45:30,086 --> 00:45:33,754 was really shocked by its primitivity. 515 00:45:33,754 --> 00:45:37,516 Now it doesn't make sense to write on such level 516 00:45:37,516 --> 00:45:41,045 because this kind of information is easy to find. 517 00:45:41,045 --> 00:45:49,381 Only if a person is really excited about these things at the moment 518 00:45:49,381 --> 00:45:51,077 and s/he wants to share it... 519 00:45:51,077 --> 00:45:54,977 When people say they can't say anything interesting by means of zines, 520 00:45:54,977 --> 00:45:57,857 I wander which means are more appropriate for you then? 521 00:45:57,857 --> 00:45:59,877 If you all gone to internet, 522 00:45:59,877 --> 00:46:05,055 what are you doing except for the messages on the wall in Vkontakte (like a Facebook). 523 00:46:05,055 --> 00:45:47,732 I am not even talking about internet zines because I prefer paper ones, 524 00:46:08,817 --> 00:46:12,764 but with the help of internet a lot of projects could be implemented, 525 00:46:12,764 --> 00:46:18,244 based on open source, ideas of non-hierarchical society, collectivity... 526 00:46:18,244 --> 00:46:21,355 A lot of things could be done in internet 527 00:46:21,355 --> 00:46:25,024 but the fact is almost nobody does anything, 528 00:46:25,024 --> 00:46:27,509 neither on paper nor in internet.